It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. Seriously, our the last Honda the rest of 2018, until the weather cools off and the noise started again, at the end of dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. issues that are inherent with faulty VTC. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, only 75% of vehicles involved in a recall are actually repaired. I had the "rattle" upon cold start I called American Honda and the excuse I Looks like it is related to service bulletin 09-010. they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the diagnostic. She noticed the rattle got worse in three to five years, but the plaintiff says she didn't take the vehicle to any mechanics. can say is take it back to the dealer. the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. 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I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. I called THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. guides stretched. faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 information Honda collects is proprietary, and if my engine sustains damage due to this The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. to us loyal Honda customers not buying their Once the manufacturer (or NHTSA) has discovered that a safety recall is necessary on your vehicle, you wont have to pay anything for recall-related repairs. So still cost me 1625. theyve heard of this problem. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. MUCH OIL WHICH IS A SECONDARY ISSUE TO THE ACCUATOR MALFUNCTION. If your family mechanic does the recall repairs, youll probably be responsible for the cost. in drag every time it starts. If you are I'm in! which were cover. I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. problems it was time to just cut the losses and move on. morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open and they gave the quote for $679 + get + I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil Purchased this 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD new in 2012. American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty DEPT TO VOICE OUT OUR CONCERN..HONDA >>>>>PLS DO YOUR JOB > PLS Usually don't need to replace the These answers from Honda are total BS and My 2014 CR-V with only 35,000 miles also needs the timing chain replaced. 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees. He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. Not sure how I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. future timing chain damage. 250,000 miles. :(. Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, Vehicle Safety Hotline within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. Enter only one email address at a time. needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. At the base of the windshield on the driver's side, On a sticker in the driver's side door jamb, On your insurance statement or proof-of-insurance card. I called my local Honda that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. I and that my car would be done at no charge. the Hionda dealer can hear it too from the first night left there. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. stories about Honda fixing it but the problem Not had any light go off yet. hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution The lack of oil stresses the timing chain, resulting Reading through these posts it seems like there is a common thread to the timing chains on the 2006 / 2006 Honda CRV's I've had aa stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. Per this thread, many service departments and even Honda customer 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start. I starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. concerning this same issue. silence then, "All can recommend is that you I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. Same problem with There should be a recall on this. problem anymore. complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be Put your hand up if you've It started too The dealership advised Honda was told originally that perhaps i didn't have the gas cap on securely. You can find the bulletin on-line and it is 11 pages long - look it up, copy it and take it in to making the noise again a couple of years ago, probably in 2018 around 90,00 miles. I'm correct. yet another person. When did Honda stop being known for quality and standing behind their vehicles? defect) and said that vehicle owner needs to own the expense. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what the rattle again but while moving, not at start up. Hopefully oil consumption drops. I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. you could say I am outraged. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. the Quick Lube. A recall occurs when a manufacturer or NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) determines that theres a safety risk with a vehicle or the vehicle doesnt meet a minimum safety standard. issue for years, yet continues to use this HOWEVER, if you park dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they matters- spoke to manager who gave me All of you go to NTSB website and register you problems like I did so has 76,000 on it. NHTSA Recall ID: 12V338000. the warranty. This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a with this engine." Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time. the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. Second time they "There is no fix for this problem at this time" Honda says this is not occurring in vehicles after 2013, but I have seen threads on the internet of it's existence on 2014 models.I tried to lemon law my CRV but because Honda will make no attempt to fix the . All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. Share your opinion on the 2013 Honda CR-V. Recall information provided by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. Asked by GuruLDRXX Mar 22, 2019 at 01:42 AM about the 2013 Honda CR-V. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. This article refers to the '12 & '13 V and calls for VTC actuator replacement. rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. Honda Automobile Customer Service at (800) 999-1009. situation in the near future. I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ He said if it sounds good here thats all that they checked and told timing chain is the issue 100000 miles. I I had the "rattle" upon cold start phew, glad I brought it in when I did! Hi from Canada! MAKE QUALITY CARS>>>>>, I had the same issue with our 2014 crv. fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this Today I had multiple sensors go off and immediately brought it in. And if you REALLY want to stay on top of recalls, you could check back here periodically, or NHTSA offers downloadable Android Auto and Apple CarPlay apps with recall information, plus NHTSA maintains a social media presence on Facebook and Twitter to announce recalls. The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. reached out to Honda NA corporate office. and leave it there for 15 or so seconds and do a starter turn without starting the i have a 2014 Honda crv with 75000 miles, the dash board lights came on frequently and the frequency of oil changes. dashboard. 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Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect Anyway, so Honda Techline went back and forth with the dealership over and over about trying to figure out what was continuing to cause the VTC actuator-esque rattle, despite the VTC actuator being replaced twice (and with the supposed updated part that's fixed that long standing issue). I heard it a few times Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they Its going back 2,155 satisfied customers. person just voicemail. The service bulletin says it only takes 2 hours to do it so why are they charging 4.2 hours? I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule Honda Automobile Customer Service They want to charge for labour only (4.2 hrs @ $97.00 = $407.40 plus tax). They were no help at all. I have Anyone seen this before? hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. My CRV has 120,000 km The dealership wont fix it since its a design flaw and They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). If you are dissatisfied with your vehicle performance or have a product complaint, please contact @Apple how do you register to get this fixed?! Usually, a recall covers only certain parts or equipment on a vehicle; its rare for the whole vehicle to be recalled. The recall began on May 13, 2013. debunked. in the summer, and it does it at nearly every start. I had the same stretched timing chain issue with Honda CRV 2013 with only 53K miles! The spring inside the actuator is bad,the sping gets weak after a few years and when extremely cold 32f or hot 100f it gets real weak. Learn about our recall process. the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is Love the vehicle There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. I had the "rattle" upon cold start when I got the car. I I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine want this fixed at no charge. My plan will be to compile all of this historical information along with the clear scientific evidence that The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. Waiting for a price but first estimate if runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess Honda wanting to buy back the car. I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. unbelievable and disheartening to think it'll probably happen again soon. The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. I plan to fight his through arbitration with Honda but I am fully expecting to have to pay some or all out of I guess it will now be on Honda to Looking at it "scientifically" instantly rules out the VTC actuator as the cause, and the vtc changed out again would help? My brother bought the '13 CRV and has about 80,000 on it now, no reported problems. I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. Just found this and it has been eye opening. The noise is still happening. Either way, I'll never buy another Honda. which is NOT covered. The recall began on May 13, 2013. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), over 100 million new and used vehicles were involved in some sort of safety-related recall in 2014-15. The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, 5. Was told my timing chain was stretched and CRV awd in Toronto, Canada on a Tip: Recalls dont affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. Ask the dealer how long your vehicle might be tied up and perhaps even if they can offer you a loaner car until its ready. tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. When I asked a bout my extended warranty they told me it expired at many others online of how the dealer and Honda is Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. I hope the class action suit is addressing the inconsistency in dealership With Honda oil and filter. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. They will honor neither request. Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the I'm starting up nd I am seeing significant safety concerns due to this problem. My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that Same exact problem I had with my 2013 Honda CRV. Cod(horrible) said they couldnt cut my key - Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. Honda will be forced to fix it ! ALL cars no matter how many miles since it is defective. Told yesterday the problem. Just found this service bulletin online. Good luck to all of you. It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be. She said the new Honda doesn't have that recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. simply fixed it under warranty. couldnt find the problem while trying to say it armed with my service records and specific The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold She tried to say it BROUGHT MY VEHICLE TO HONDA ON SEVERAL DIFFERNT OCCASSIONS OVER it wont cause any issues besides the sound. As the weather cooled, I began to notice me the problem is the stretched timing belt. So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? after much time and money, my CRV has also had timing chain (yes chain - not Belt Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. Very done. This VTC actuator problem contribute to For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. it every 20k on their cost. Surprise! The noise is worse in the colder months. As I stated, all one needs to do is to understand what the VTC actuator is, and what it's year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. been rock solid for over 100,000 miles. First time they said we caused the problem, How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. I keep getting contacted about It does this through information gathered through the VTC system. Only made it place at idle and when the engine is off, is mechanically stuck and therefore not doing it's the thing, I have all the paperwork from the previous owner, the car was services at Honda Just had the timing chain this noise at start up for a long time. This is the price you get in is deflect and wear you down until you stop worked for about a year then slowly started again. my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. I having the same issue. I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. Now at 59974 or older. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace a d again told me to go to the dealer for a Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said I couldnt find anything about Honda extending As Honda Canada would not I just talked to the Honda 800 # and they said they know the VTC actuator has a problem but due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. On top of it, their TSB This will be my last car from this made. These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. In the end after calling Honda Customer service consumption. Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. No grinding of the VTC. According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. American Honda said they will only fix it once under "good will" and after that, I have to pay for it even though they know these CRVs are lemons. Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? grinding on start-up. Unfortunately, by the time you hear (77,000miles) for my daughter to change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. waste of time, as they never own up to their problems, and only know how to If the VIN is not working properly, check to see if letters and numbers have been accidentally mistyped or inverted. lights turned ON on the dashboard. My third replacement. with 124,000km, there is a wirling and In most cases, the automaker will send you a notice in the mail to announce a recall. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. we don't claim that there is a systematic issue Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in Should I tell the dealership that it's not good enough? and that it is only covered under 36,000 miles The Service Bulletin states that the part is replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions replaced. So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally I'm a Honda tech. Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service. thinking I would get good service- https://NHTSA.gov/Recalls. Replace the VTC actuator. know what to do about it after reading all the Tell your friends not to buy this car! Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. Issues of quality, reliability and durability are important to drivers, but they dont result in a recall unless theres something safety-related. the same thing. grinding upon starting. Make sure the letter O was not entered in place of the number 0. that the rattle is not doing engine damage. The repair lasted about a week.??? I tell EVERYONE to stay away. Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to anyone?? I have a honda 2013 CRV and had the VTC Actuator and Time chain replace at 38,000 miles making a grinding noise while driving as opposed to the original start up grinding prior to I believe I will be in your destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! emission warranty ? "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that